The Island's very own Sistah Luv returns with
more sheep abuse!! This episode we have dsawulski,
another sheep that just talks the talk.
dsawulski: r u a christian plastic_dashboard_jesus: no
dsawulski: then why r u here plastic_dashboard_jesus: to discuss the christian
faith....that's the purpose of these rooms....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: not for christians only
dsawulski: why do u mock the bible plastic_dashboard_jesus: i do not mock the bible....i
simply happen to not believe in it.
dsawulski: u say the bible has held women down? plastic_dashboard_jesus: and i state that opinion.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: followers of the bible, yes....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i quoted someone to that
effect. (note: Elizabeth Cady Stanton)
dsawulski: r u a woman? plastic_dashboard_jesus: yes
dsawulski: if the bible and jesus are phony than what
is real in ur world? plastic_dashboard_jesus: my world [is real]....i
don't need jesus and the bible to affirm my existence.
dsawulski: you have no existence except for the fact
that jesus created u
dsawulski: with a free will plastic_dashboard_jesus: that is your opinion....which
you are entitled to
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and one which i don't share
dsawulski: If Jesus did not create u then who did?
dsawulski: and
dsawulski: where did carbon oxygen, gold hydrogen
come from?
dsawulski: how did the world get here plastic_dashboard_jesus: i don't claim to know
for certain....though i have some thoughts on the
matter.....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and the fact that we exist
does not prove that your belief is real
plastic_dashboard_jesus: or that your god is real
dsawulski: If u believe that the world just appeared
allby it self then u have more faith then any christian plastic_dashboard_jesus: i didn't say that it did....
dsawulski: the fact that we exist prooves that God
created plastic_dashboard_jesus: don't presume to know
what i believe or think
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and no, it doesn't "prove"
anything
plastic_dashboard_jesus: you might take it as evidence
of such....
dsawulski: design and intelligence requires an answer
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and you have chosen to
believe the judeo-christian god-construct is that
answer
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i disagree.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: you say you're right.....maybe
so....i am not so spiritually arrogant as to assert
my beliefs as fact....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: apparently you are.
dsawulski: u have only choosen to reject the truth
but the world and the creation is a witness against
u plastic_dashboard_jesus: again....that is your
opinion.....
dsawulski: u will be held accoutable for that which
u could know plastic_dashboard_jesus: that i reject the "truth"
dsawulski: yup plastic_dashboard_jesus: which you only believe
to be so....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and your opinion means next
to nothing to me....
dsawulski: if u refuse to believe it u will be punished plastic_dashboard_jesus: again...you believe that.....i
do not dsawulski: and that u will believe when it happens plastic_dashboard_jesus: so take pleasure in your
belief that i will be punished
dsawulski: when u receive the pain of the punishment
then u will admit that jesus is lord plastic_dashboard_jesus: simply because i do not
believe as you do.
dsawulski: everyone will confeess that jesus is lord plastic_dashboard_jesus: that's a chance i'm more
than willing to take....
dsawulski: whether u believe or not plastic_dashboard_jesus: again, you believe that
to be true....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: you're welcome to your beliefs.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and to continue to assert
them as "fact"
plastic_dashboard_jesus: means very little to me.
dsawulski: what r u really bitter about in ur life? plastic_dashboard_jesus: nothing.....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: thanks for asking.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: what are you so guilty about
in yours
dsawulski: there is something that happened that u
feel u were wronged from someone else possibly? plastic_dashboard_jesus: that you need a savior
to save you from your "sins"?
dsawulski: i am guilty of everything plastic_dashboard_jesus: nice try, dsa.....just
because i don't believe in your faith construct does
not mean i am bitter.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: lol....well i am not guilty
of everything.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: although i'm sure you disagree
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and you are welcome to your
opinion.
dsawulski: totally guilty before God and men
dsawulski: isn't jesus great for what he did to save
all plastic_dashboard_jesus: well, i don't accept that
he did....or that i need him to....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: so feel free to take comfort
in that if you choose
dsawulski: what can u take comfort in then?
dsawulski: in this world plastic_dashboard_jesus: lots of things....
dsawulski: it is a short term world plastic_dashboard_jesus: there is beauty and love
in this world...
dsawulski: temporal plastic_dashboard_jesus: so? short term does not
make it less valuable
dsawulski: ok
dsawulski: it is completely worhles if it is not eternal
dsawulski: eternal=forever
dsawulski: worthless
dsawulski: if not eternal plastic_dashboard_jesus: in your opinion it is
worthless if it is not eternal
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i disagree.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and what happens after death.....in
"eternity"....is all supposition....you
have placed your faith in one belief system....
dsawulski: you can pray and ask god to give u believing
faith plastic_dashboard_jesus: of course i could do that,
if i wanted.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: but i have no desire to.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i do not believe in your
god-construct
plastic_dashboard_jesus: have no desire to have "faith"
in him/it
dsawulski: after death is life forever with jesus
with no evil plastic_dashboard_jesus: again, you are stating
your beliefs without backing them up.....that is your
opinion....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: nothing more.
dsawulski: in ur construct what happens to u after
death? plastic_dashboard_jesus: and as such it means nothing
to me.
dsawulski: how come u have not backed up ur beliefs plastic_dashboard_jesus: i have not stated them....
dsawulski: in fact do u have any beliefs? plastic_dashboard_jesus: nor do i feel a need to
back them up....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: because i do not assert them
as "truth" or "fact" as you do
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i admit that my beliefs are
just that....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: my personal beliefs
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and for me to condemn you
for not believing as i do would be arrogant and rude
dsawulski: well what r ur beliefs? plastic_dashboard_jesus: you are the one who has
done that, not i.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i am an agnostic....
plastic_dashboard_jesus: with pagan leanings.
dsawulski: no ur wrong whether u like it or not jesus
is the only way
dsawulski: so u would problably argue that jesus is
arrogant and rude then right?
dsawulski: Jesus claimed to be the only way plastic_dashboard_jesus: ummmm.....since i have
no first hand knowledge of his personality
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i would not call him that....just
many of his followers who tell me i am going to hell
for not agreeing with their faith-presumptions.
dsawulski: U have no fist hand knowledge of World
war I either
dsawulski: but u still believe that it happened
dsawulski: why
dsawulski: becuse
dsawulski: u believed other people who talked about
it plastic_dashboard_jesus: lol.....now there's an
interesting analogy
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and the fact remains....you
chose to believe the bible is the word of god.....and
i do not.
dsawulski: the fact remains that u choose to believe
that world war I happened right? plastic_dashboard_jesus: makes no difference.
dsawulski: u were not there either
dsawulski: why do u elieve in wwi
dsawulski: u have no first hand knowledge
dsawulski: of wwI
dsawulski: but u believe it plastic_dashboard_jesus: let's just say i accept
the historical accounts as much more reliable
plastic_dashboard_jesus: than the bible
plastic_dashboard_jesus: in terms of WW1
dsawulski: great well there is ur historical account
of jesus
dsawulski: too plastic_dashboard_jesus: so you say....
dsawulski: u never met hitler
dsawulski: but u beliee he existed
dsawulski: cause people told u so plastic_dashboard_jesus: okay, your analogies are
falling way short here...
dsawulski: nope they r right to the point plastic_dashboard_jesus: nope.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: sorry.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: believing in recent history
and having faith in your god-construct are two separate
things.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: sorry to disappoint you.
dsawulski: the point being that all kinds of eveidence
exist without u having to see it with ur own eys
dsawulski: eyes
dsawulski: WWI happened and so did Jesus plastic_dashboard_jesus: exactly. and you accept
certain things as "evidence" which i do
not.
dsawulski: yes u do plastic_dashboard_jesus: you accept the biblical
account of jesus
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and put your faith in it.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: i don't.
dsawulski: u believe that wwI happened
dsawulski: and u never saw it plastic_dashboard_jesus: again, the evidence for
the two are different.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: so you can drop the analogy
dsawulski: nope
dsawulski: same
dsawulski: word of mouth plastic_dashboard_jesus: nope. sorry.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: there is more documentation
than that.
plastic_dashboard_jesus: and as i said
plastic_dashboard_jesus: you can drop the analogy
plastic_dashboard_jesus: or drop the subject
plastic_dashboard_jesus: because it's unconvincing.
